tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post4211334597917099207..comments2024-03-28T12:39:04.081+00:00Comments on Vampifan's World of the Undead: All Things Zombie: Reloaded Board-gameVampifanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11318241813130102121noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-27803092836911566082021-04-18T13:58:36.335+01:002021-04-18T13:58:36.335+01:00I love everything about zombies: movies, shows, ga...I love everything about zombies: movies, shows, games, artwork, basically everything but i've never touched any board game other than Monopoly. to be honest zombie board game never even crossed my mind, now... i'm definitely gonna buy this. zombie gameshttps://zombiegameshtml5.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-34641549120266886302015-12-27T15:16:46.483+00:002015-12-27T15:16:46.483+00:00I agree. I'm glad David gave me final say so I...I agree. I'm glad David gave me final say so I didn't change anything. Thanks again for the review Bryan.Ed the THW Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03292937946470988246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-50006615079084989832015-12-27T10:43:14.223+00:002015-12-27T10:43:14.223+00:00That's easy, Ed. I actually prefer Reloaded. I...That's easy, Ed. I actually prefer Reloaded. It seems more akin to the miniatures rules, which I like a lot.Vampifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11318241813130102121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-46544151665702896612015-12-27T00:09:36.978+00:002015-12-27T00:09:36.978+00:00Just one comment. Game play wise, which game do yo...Just one comment. Game play wise, which game do you prefer Bryan? Not maps, not counters, etc. Just game mechanics as they are significantly different.Ed the THW Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03292937946470988246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-19081280039226179362015-12-26T22:29:57.200+00:002015-12-26T22:29:57.200+00:00I'm only too pleased to be of assistance, Stev...I'm only too pleased to be of assistance, Steve. I think you're right to stick with your original copy.Vampifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11318241813130102121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-69324151379266052892015-12-26T14:19:40.881+00:002015-12-26T14:19:40.881+00:00Roger that Bryan.
Thank you for such an in depth...Roger that Bryan.<br /><br /> Thank you for such an in depth and accurate reply. I understand every rule change you mention (due to a fairly reasonable understanding of the game from seeing it played long ago, and my knowledge of ATZ in general)... so thank you for adding the rule changes: that really helped me to understand the differences.<br /><br />Hmmmm, yes I can see the pros and cons clearly now, but like you say I think I will simply stick with my already purchased ATZ Boardgame.... ok, maybe more clunky than the remake, but the nice solid boards and thick good quality counters is a bonus for me, plus I already am fairly familiar with how it plays.<br /><br />Cheers Bryan.Stephen Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01704275344468801259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-73538702891267906142015-12-25T12:16:02.426+00:002015-12-25T12:16:02.426+00:00Thanks for such an informative reply, Steve. You w...Thanks for such an informative reply, Steve. You want to know about the differences between the old and the new ATZ board-game? There is very little difference. Reloaded has more maps (6 instead of 4) but they are of inferior quality being printed on thick paper and not thick card. However, unlike the originals they are not double-sided, which is a plus point.<br />The counters for the heroes have changed. In Reloaded a Hero's stats remain unchanged if he/she got wounded. You flip the counter over if the Hero is wounded to reveal an Out of the Fight caption. In the original game if a Hero got wounded you flipped their counter over and the Hero had reduced stats (Rep and Move). I prefer the new rules. The Zombie counters have changed as well. Originally they had a number from 1 to 6 printed on them, indicating how many zombies were represented by that counter. Now, in Reloaded, each counter represents one zombie and the number (still 1 to 6) shows the direction they appear on the map. Much simpler and again, a better rule, in my opinion.<br />Finally, originally, the scenarios were linked and you were told which Heroes to use. Now the scenarios have been replaced by generic encounters where you determine who takes part. <br />Rules-wise there are a few minor changes but nothing too radical. <br />Which set is better? That's hard to say as both have pros and cons. For me, however, I prefer Reloaded to the original... but neither set is perfect. Plus, neither compare to the likes of Zombicide or Last Night On Earth. If I was you, I'd stick with your original set. Reloaded should be low down on your "to buy" list. Get it if you can afford it. <br />By the way, all of the faults I mentioned in my review have been rectified with the exception of adding more counters.Vampifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11318241813130102121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-74901163294255903272015-12-23T15:09:01.147+00:002015-12-23T15:09:01.147+00:00Interesting review Bryan. See, this is why I like ...Interesting review Bryan. See, this is why I like your reviews, you`re not a fan boy, even if you review something you WANT to like, if its not perfect, you mention those imperfections. Makes reading your reviews an imperative if I plan on possibly purchasing a game for myself. Of course, I don`t just follow the crowd, and I wouldn't just buy (or ignore) a game because someone says so. However, in your case, you write with style and confidence, enough to be able to rely on and trust the opinions given **... and is non biased enough to be able to sift through to the `bits` of personal necessary interest. Very helpful as a buyer`s guide.<br /><br /><br />** though the odd typo here and there never has bothered me the same way as it does you.<br /><br /><br />I would be interested in your opinion: how does the original ATZ boardgame (which I own but have never played - all the counters still unpunched) compare to this new game?<br /><br />I keep meaning to crack open, learn and play the ATZ boardgame, but somehow, I never got round to it.... mostly because Zombicide came along and I got seriously side tracked.<br /><br />have never minded shelling out lots of money on a game, if it is worth it. For example, any of the Zombicide big box sets. cost maybe 100 quid (each box) to purchase and perhaps 35 quid on shipping to Ireland = 135 total.... but if a game is good, and will provide plenty of gaming use, I really don`t quibble too much over the price. If something I want costs more than I have to spend, I simply save money until I do have enough (a prime example of this is Warlord Games "Horns of the Buffalo" Deluxe Collectors Set, which sells for £274 plus postage. It was something I desperately wanted for my Colonial Wargames: so I simply saved money for months until I had enough to place the order. Better than spending money on fags, beer, and other unnecessariness.... I just save instead for things I REALLY want). So no, the cost of this new All Things Zombie: Reloaded Board-game - although steep - isn`t by itself an issue IF the game is worth owning (and I actually do struggle with funds, as I am not rich), but I guess I am asking you Bryan, how does it fare compared to the ATZ Boardgame I already own, still in its unwrapped box?Stephen Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01704275344468801259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-57149560752923433552015-12-20T11:05:46.601+00:002015-12-20T11:05:46.601+00:00Thank you, David, for taking the time out to reply...Thank you, David, for taking the time out to reply. Your comments are much appreciated. I'd also like to thank you for correcting the mistakes I pointed out in my review. Ed told me that the copy of the game I received must have been one of the first ones produced. <br /><br />I do wish I'd known about your European shippers. I know import taxes are out of your control but no one likes paying them. I'm glad you thought my review was fair. As a big fan of ATZ that means a lot to me.Vampifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11318241813130102121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-17371962562675365922015-12-20T03:07:42.660+00:002015-12-20T03:07:42.660+00:00Hello,
My name is David Heath and I am the new ow...Hello,<br /><br />My name is David Heath and I am the new owner of Lock 'n Load Publishing. First let me start by saying that I am sorry some of you feel bad about the game you received. The older ATZ had many issues, 1) Not being the game Ed original designed, limited maps (maps were printed on both sides), mis-cut counters and some other items. <br /><br />As the owner of LnL I take full blame on any production issues. We have corrected many if not all of the issues in the rule book and updated the player aid cards. Because of the production issues of the past, we now print everything in house. We are not using paper maps but a heavy card stock. This map card stock is used in all of our current products. <br /><br />Ed was not happy with the way ATZ turned out and we wanted to make sure we got the real flavor of the game Ed designed out in ATZ:Reloaded. Yes we made some errors but we have corrected them. We are a publisher that cares about our designers and what we make. So don't write us off just yet. <br /><br />We do have dealers in Europe so for those overseas that should help with the shipping and import tax. On the rules of any game we publish, we also make a living rules edition which is free to download (see the link below) before you purchase any of our games. <br /><br />http://forums.lnlpublishing.com/resources/all-things-zombie-reloaded-living-rules.77/<br /><br />Thank you for the good and fair review, no publisher can ask more than that. <br /><br />David<br /><br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02079335058684730379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-30058043518984440932015-12-18T23:00:13.740+00:002015-12-18T23:00:13.740+00:00That all makes sense. Thanks for the quick reply, ...That all makes sense. Thanks for the quick reply, Ed.Vampifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11318241813130102121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-20062333520626518362015-12-18T22:40:37.732+00:002015-12-18T22:40:37.732+00:00The reason is (mathematically) that it combines th...The reason is (mathematically) that it combines the rolling for damage and the old recover From Knock Down Test. So one less test to take.<br /><br />Now in Fade to Black, the minis rules, this went a different way. Still roll for Impact but instead of Knock Down and Recover Test it's a straight Duck Back. This makes it a little less dangerous but is balanced out with how it affects Star Power.<br /><br />If you reach a Carry On result from melee damage, you -1 to Rep and immediately fight again.<br />If you reach a Carry On result from ranged fire, you Duck back instead.<br />Less dice rolling and same results. <br />If you reach Carry OnEd the THW Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03292937946470988246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-5049993296115572722015-12-18T22:31:33.636+00:002015-12-18T22:31:33.636+00:00Once again, Ed, thanks for sorting that one out. I...Once again, Ed, thanks for sorting that one out. I'm still not sure why you switched to this method for determining ranged damage when the old roll against the weapon's Target Rating worked so well.Vampifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11318241813130102121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-88414245621868456162015-12-18T22:29:16.614+00:002015-12-18T22:29:16.614+00:00Many thanks for that, Ed. It is good to know that ...Many thanks for that, Ed. It is good to know that the proofreading errors have been caught and corrected. I have no complaints about the gameplay. It's probably a good thing that Fade to Black is more of a miniatures skirmish game. This is what I like the most about your games.Vampifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11318241813130102121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-33819435467828036282015-12-18T22:24:55.342+00:002015-12-18T22:24:55.342+00:00I have to admit, Simon, that the shipping cost plu...I have to admit, Simon, that the shipping cost plus the customs charge left a sour taste in the mouth.Vampifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11318241813130102121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-14962835143764860552015-12-18T20:39:54.558+00:002015-12-18T20:39:54.558+00:00Just spoke with the editor at LnL and the confusio...Just spoke with the editor at LnL and the confusion over the Rep of the Target on the Damage Table has been fixed. Thanks for the catch,<br />EdEd the THW Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03292937946470988246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-72111003460262984092015-12-18T20:19:16.777+00:002015-12-18T20:19:16.777+00:00Hi Bryan,
Thanks for taking the time to do the rev...Hi Bryan,<br />Thanks for taking the time to do the review. <br /><br />The bits in the rules that you mentioned have been caught by LnL and as the game is print on demand they have been fixed in the book. Here's a link to the Living Rules that LnL provides to those that purchased the game. This should have the corrections inserted. Not sure how to specifically do it, but here's the link.<br /><br />http://forums.lnlpublishing.com/threads/all-things-zombie-reloaded-living-rules.2074/<br /><br />I can only speak on the design portion of the rules - mechanics, etc. It seems the complaints weren't game play related but more board game components. Fade to Black will be straight miniatures so no counters, maps, etc. <br /><br />Thanks again,<br />EdEd the THW Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03292937946470988246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-36052863170819102612015-12-18T19:07:36.066+00:002015-12-18T19:07:36.066+00:00Nice review! ouch on the shipping and being stung ...Nice review! ouch on the shipping and being stung by customs! I am not so keen on counter games much preferring games with toys in :) Shipping is a killer I really want to pick up the This Is not a Test printed rulebook when it gets run by ks but shipping is going to be $27! Simon Quinton https://www.blogger.com/profile/18001946192905517180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-18578477789396970852015-12-18T03:38:18.420+00:002015-12-18T03:38:18.420+00:00I agree with you, Rob. I have no desire to order a...I agree with you, Rob. I have no desire to order anything else from LnL either.Vampifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11318241813130102121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-63981363605540551832015-12-18T01:41:00.379+00:002015-12-18T01:41:00.379+00:00Sorry to hear that. I was hoping I would enjoy it...Sorry to hear that. I was hoping I would enjoy it, hoping the quality would be higher. I doubt I will be using it at all. I do not think I will be purchasing anything from LnL in the future as this has soured me.Red Shirt Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11315755923690452997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-63683348770420217092015-12-17T16:20:47.133+00:002015-12-17T16:20:47.133+00:00Hey, Rob, no need to apologise for your rant. I fu...Hey, Rob, no need to apologise for your rant. I fully understand. I doubt if I'll be playing it much and just like you, I felt ripped off.Vampifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11318241813130102121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-64124223726014655092015-12-17T16:16:38.112+00:002015-12-17T16:16:38.112+00:00I purchased ATZ: Reloaded and I feel like I overpa...I purchased ATZ: Reloaded and I feel like I overpaid by quite a bit. The book quality is great, the cards are okay, but the cardboard markers are very low quality.. and paper maps(?).. really? They wont last long (unless I don't play it much). For what I paid, I feel ripped off and that's because of the game itself, but for the materials that come in the box. Sorry for the rant.Red Shirt Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11315755923690452997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-41124883007890891682015-12-17T11:33:43.778+00:002015-12-17T11:33:43.778+00:00I can fully understand your feelings, Clint. Learn...I can fully understand your feelings, Clint. Learn from my unfortunate mistake.<br /><br />Apparently FFO was supposed to be the FINAL ATZ set. But LNL are now producing many of the THW rules and games. As result, a new version of ATZ is now in production. I, too, have mixed feelings about this. Vampifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11318241813130102121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-77996785643700759292015-12-17T09:02:27.654+00:002015-12-17T09:02:27.654+00:00Unless I win the Euro lottery jackpot This will ha...Unless I win the Euro lottery jackpot This will have to be a NO from me with shipping and customs hurting FAR too much. I may just stick to "Last night on Earth!" For my zombie board game fix.<br /><br />As for Fade to Black! I thought FFO was supposed to be the FINAL set. So I feel like it was a broken promise and as such will steer clear of Fade to Black..... after all in 2 years time there will no doubt be another version.<br /><br />But I do thank you for the review and did find it very interesting.Clinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02351729764098750618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8423998700545338590.post-78293225341935946392015-12-17T03:45:45.053+00:002015-12-17T03:45:45.053+00:00I totally agree with you, Bob. As far as board-gam...I totally agree with you, Bob. As far as board-games go, Zombicide is in a class of its own and just can't be beaten. I never tire of playing it. Sadly, I can't say the same about ATZ:Reloaded.Vampifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11318241813130102121noreply@blogger.com